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Shooting abuse.

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Hi this is enigma here to suggest somthing that I think would help improve RS. Adjusting the way shots work many players in RS abuse the shot function to much and just bascily shoot the whole game to kill everyone which i dont think is very fair it is much similer to the old blast problem so here are a few ideas to possibly help alleviate the problem whixh would help blance shoot to boost and item kills.


(note please do not post just "no" if you dont give a vailid arugment)


1. limit the nubmer of shots you can use to 3 or 2 per game.  and/or

2. alow shots to be priortized for example if somone use a shot command but the other person would dodge it.                                                                                                                                                                                             

3 weaken the shots damage to 1/2 a health bar.

only some of these may be used but i think it would help inmprove the RS skill balance.

Enigma
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Hehe. I thought about writing "no" only but here is the argument you asked for:
To be honest, I don't agree with your arguing. Shots are not that powerful and what would come next? No more pushing or only pushing if 2 bots push?
Seriously, this is a fighting game and there need to be ways to kill the others. Every other weapon is stronger than the single basic laser. Players who just shoot should be easy to defeat, so where is the problem?

If it was my decision, I would not even limit the blasts, but that's a different story :D

Dharo
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I see why your argumetn is valid and yes it s not as muich as a problem with maybe 1 or 2 but it can be a problem if say you are playing with 8 people on  a smaller map they just shoot abuse to steal alot of kills and still will  tasking points from other players since shoot has piorty over boost bombs or other items.

boosts have a limted range and thus less inherintly less pwoerfull but since shots always go first  are umited range and then are unlimted in use they are as pwoerfull as teh other moves espccily whne they are doing it on conveyers. they can jsut doge then shoot some more x crosses and auto fires make this even worse. 


personly i think option 2 is the best as it alows some more flexibitly  with shots as they can be used alot but countered easier.
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Hi enigma,
thanks for sharing your thoughts :)

But... well... there are several mistakes in your arguments about lasers' power.
  • Laser shots have no higher priority than bombs or blasts.
  • Blasts are more powerful because you can hit many opponents at once. The blasts have a max damage of 7 points, compared to 1 point of the lasers. (stacks are a special case)
  • Bombs hit 25 tiles at once. Lasers usually can't go much further than that ^^ and will only hit the first robot in their range.
  • The lasers are stopped by walls, blocks etc. Blasts or bombs don't care about walls.
  • With blasts you don't need to aim, that's why they are hated more.
In a game with 8 players, some people usually die aerlier for sure. But especially in such large games, it's much more effiecient to use bombs, blasts or long jump pushes for killing many opponents at once.

I have seen many complaints about blasts, but you are the very first one who wants to limit the shots.
I would like to read the opinion of others here.

My personal opinion: Why in hell should we lower the power of the weakest weapon?

Dharo

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I think it would be a very bad idea and I can't say much more about what Dharokan said, everything is written there.


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1 blasts have a limted range if 1 sqaure around and attack 8 sqaures lasters only attack one1 sqaure but can go forever.  of into infinity. if not stopped

2. shots to have a priority over bombs if you shoot to kill somone and win the game the bombs dont matter. though i think  (blasts hit the same time as shots.)

3. shots also have priory over boosts if you shoot you will kill somoen after they push. and if you say use a autofire wepon it can be much more devastating then a bomb as shots do 2 x6 or2x5 +3 (although bombs can do more they make you vurlable.) shots can become even worse when aatofire is combined with blasts shots and a xcross. even worse if happen to be going truogh a laser.

4. bombs can only do 3 2 or 1 damage if i am paying attion correctly based on how far away from eh bomb you are

4. actully i see mroe peopel get kills on 8 player games by using shots then the others as to many players expiccly if they are weakened from a bomb.) 


(p.s there was once a map that was like 25 x 27 by somone way back when  but cant remeber who or what it was called)

anyways  lets see what the others think.
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I really don't understand where is the problem with the shoot. If my robot is in a certain position and I think I can do much damage shooting 4-5 times, why wouldn't I? If you are a good player, you should never die of random shots.

Even, accoding to you, we should limit the moves "x-cross blast blast" due to you are damaging 4 points of life in 3 moves with abusing damaging weapons. Because I see the same problem that in your arguments (it is very similar to old blast problem). Am I right?

And if we continue, some players also abuse about pushes, bombs, shields (if players use a shied in all turns, you can damage him) and more...

Some of these ideas are good, but this has no sene... I don't understand why you complain.
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I strongly disagree with you enigma, shots are ok the way they were designed, this is a battle game and I would also consider to allow 6 blasts per turn, it is just another weapon and we all started playing with them, I was not given the shots first then the blasts or bombs so there is no advantage.

If you believe someone abuses of shooting then you just get out of his way and shot him from the back or blast him or push him or anything that comes to your head, if 6 shots hit you in a row then, either your opponent is fricken good or you just a bad player and need some more practice to learn how to avoid shots, blasts, bombs, pushes, or whatever you get to complain in a future. 

I don't remember any of the old school best players to complain about shots, some of blasts maybe but none for shots.

I hope neither Chris nor Bill consider to reduce the damage or even the amount of shots you can use it per turn.

Regards.

Rotey

Ps. Enigma, if you still consider to do something with shots, you should start looking for a game to collect roses or catch butterflies because everytime someone kills you you will come up with a new excuse and say they "abuse" of killing you.
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post removed due to being rude.

(sorry guys)
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I am very surprised that you still keep arguing.

And your arguments are honestly very weak. Actually Rotey already denied your last arguments in his previous post.
You only say that players can dodge pused but not dodge shoots. That's no valid argument Either.
As Rotey said, you can dodge every attack by simply not beeing in the position to get hit by it.

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If you believe someone abuses of shooting then you just get out of his way and shot him from the back or blast him or push him or anything that comes to your head, if 6 shots hit you in a row then, either your opponent is fricken good or you just a bad player and need some more practice to learn how to avoid shots, blasts, bombs, pushes


By the way: Please don't keep telling the others what they are allowed to do. 
I totally dislike some of your statements like these:

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(note please do not post just "no" if you dont give a vailid arugment)

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I see why your argumetn is valid

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also you didi not provide a argument please provide a vailid arugment or dont post.


This is a friendly community and everybody can take part in any discussion as long as he respect the main rules. Even if you don't like or see any argument in their saying.

See, 3 of the most experiences players have taken time to answer your request respectful and in a constructive way. 

Now since you didn't provide any more "valid arguments", I will counter in the same way:
Enigma, please only continue here if you have any additional argument that you did not tell so far.
Otherwise, this will still keep smelling like complaining only.


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Oh well, what can I say Enigma, I made a degree on the science of shooting and blasting combined with xcross and autofire... I get to be that one good example, and the fact that you say you will not play with me anymore won't make me stop doing all that because this is a game where you kill the others, if I have a weapon, I will use it because it was made and put in here to be used, not to ignore it and try to kill the others by calling them noobs or losers, trust me that doesn't work.
Imagine yourself at a real war, they certanly will give you a weapon, I would like to see you in there and tell your enemy to regulate his fire because he is abusing of it too much, or even yourself dropping your weapon because you think that shooting is cheap.... it is a war and you use everything around you to kill them all and remain alive, well dude it is kindda the same in here, the difference is that you get to stay alive in real life, it is only your cyber bot that will die.

I hope that you get to understand why blasts and lasers are there, to be used, if you don't use them, then you should.

Rotey